Podcast Episode 47: Episode 21: Post Conference Wrap-up

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Get the post conference wrap-up, meet Chip the Rock mascot, hear news about Rock v6, and a few other bits of information from the Rock team.

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This episode of Rockcast is brought to you by Rock partner Triumph Tech, a full service specialist partner. Rock partners provide crucial support for Spark Development Network and important services for the Rock community. Connect with Triumph Tech today at rockrms.com/partners. Welcome back to our Rockcast podcast. We have several people around the mic today and our return guest from The UK, Erin is with us. You wanna say hello, Aaron? Hello, Aaron. That's you'll recognize him by his accent for the rest of the session here today. The rest of us sound the same as we always do. So we have some exciting things to talk about today. Let's do a little conference recap. Let's. What do you say? Wow. Well, it was a a great time. I mean, the location was amazing. Wish everybody could see the view from the top of that hill. The weather was beautiful. It was. It was special ordered. Yep. Yeah. It was awesome. And, , this this the conference as a whole just went really well. I mean, it's very well planned, Emily. Good job. Thank you. Everything was so smooth. But I have to say that so much of what was done there was the courtesy of the Bel Air staff. No matter how much we tried to do, they just kept jumping in and saying, we've got this, we've got this. And they were wonderful. It was a really incredible, not just a location because it was beautiful, which it was, but the team there is just so incredible and encouraging and hardworking. We really enjoyed being able to host there. So big thanks to Bellator for that. Yeah. Definitely. But I think it was just a great conference all around. Had good content, good relationship building, good networking, good attendance. It's hard to believe we crammed that all into two days. It was full, but it was really very impactful. I that time frame, that two days of just a big huge two days. Mhmm. I mean, it kinda gets you in and out easily within a week, and you still get a lot of content. And I love the fact people stayed late every every night. Yeah. Which was on the second night. That was that's right. And that's when some of the best stuff happens. It does. Yeah. The magic. Yes. So what was everybody's highlight? Maybe just go around and do that. I know that's easy for me. Okay. It was Seth's session. Mhmm. Senior pastor. He's a senior pastor. Right? Yes. Yeah. Senior pastor learned Rock, read the manuals, kinda mic drop the whole thing. He he did Rock by himself essentially. He did. Basically proving that you don't need a developer. You don't need to be a developer. You just need to be someone who can read and follow along. And that that kinda blew me away. That was very incredible. And and he has a great way of sharing his story. And that's a free session. So if you wanna spread the news, you can listen to that. That's true. We're gonna talk about that in a minute. Right? Yeah. We'll jump in there now. what do we have for that? So this is really exciting guys. We wanted to do this last year and couldn't quite get it pulled together in time. But this year we were able to record all of the sessions for the whole conference and have offered those now as a content subscription on our website. So you can go to the conference page and it has a link there. That's probably the easiest. We'll get a link up on our main page here a little bit later today. But if you go to rockrms.com/rx2016, there will be a link at the top of the page that will take you to the page devoted to our content from the entire conference. And it's there for a great subscription rate of 199 and that is not just for you, it's for your entire organization. The only caveat on that is it's your organization as they're known to us. So if you have other members of your team you want to have access to that content once you've purchased it, you need to have them go to our site and create a login and choose your organization. And once they've done that, then they'll have access too. So you have unlimited number of people that you can add to your organization. Feel free to do that. And we made a couple of sessions free We did. For you guys to check out. So there's a I would say if you have to watch any session, I think there's three free ones. Definitely watch Emily's. Got some great feedback on on that. It seemed to be, , the hit of the conference. And not only did you do a good job, Emily, but Thank you. It was also a very transparent view of Spark and what's going on with Spark. We were talking about stuff we never talk about. Right. And I think not only was it presented excellently, but it was excellent content too. So if you only have time to watch one, it's only thirty minutes. And I guarantee you that that'll be well worth your time to watch. So yeah. It is interesting because our community is spread out across the world. And we operate just in our little office, heads down, getting our stuff done. And sometimes that creates a disconnect between whatever you might be picturing we're doing, or we look , or our space looks looks , and what reality actually is. So it was kind of fun to literally pull back the curtain, show some pictures of our office space, and, just kind of give you the behind the scenes, what really happens. Yeah. And then and that's kind of leading to my highlight too, is we often, you said, we're stuck in this 168 square feet. And honestly, what we see every day is the work in front of us and the issues that come in. And sometimes that can be overwhelming feeling and sometimes a little bit of downer when all you see is issues. But I think the conference for me was the ability to go up a little bit higher and see a bigger view of what's happening. And it's really amazing how many people are using Rock, how they're using Rock. The ministry that's happening through all of that is is pretty remarkable. And that's somewhat a a nature of our model. , we don't put a gun to your head and said pay us, and then now we know what you're doing. It's more of an open model where you can come use it. And a lot of times, we don't know. And so for me, it was encouraging just to see how big it is and the impact that it's having. And I think there's just a lot of momentum there that we kinda see, , rumbles of, but we got to see it fully or almost not even a flick. Because I was thinking during the conference, wow. This is only a small piece of it. It's huge. Right. There's so many people who couldn't make it that are doing stuff too. , imagine if you could see the whole thing and some of the stuff that's happening in the industry. I mean, I think God's put Rock here at this time for a reason. And, I think there's some big shakeups going on. And hopefully, this is a safe alternative, an open alternative for churches. , you mentioned the word momentum, and I kept hearing that word pinging around during all the breaks and meal times at the conference. And that was the big eye opener to me. And I guess my highlight is probably just how much I think everybody learned there. And when I say everybody, I mean all of us, as a core team, I think we learned at least as much as everybody else who came and attended. And it's really exciting to be a part of something that's constantly learning, constantly growing. And then for us to have the opportunity to see, wow, this is what the community looks in action. Because it's, I said, we're so spread out. To be able to see that and kind of learn what people are doing with Rock and learn about relationships. And we were surprised that about half of the people who attended were in the process of evaluating. They were new to Rock. So we made some changes on the fly a little bit to make sure we met all the needs and accommodated all the reasons that people came to try and make sure that that worked. But it was just a very, very interesting learning session. And that was my highlight, I think. Yeah. I mean, I agree with you. I think I learned just as much as everybody else did. Did that session get recorded? That lunch session? Yep. Of course. Okay. Good. And that was just kind of the introduction to Rock, right? Mhmm. For new people. Because I miss it. Yeah. That's a really good one. My highlight was just being able to put a person to people's online presence that we've interacted with so much and just being able to meet them and talk to them in person. Because it was it was a nice chance to talk to so many people. Plus then, you said, all the it surprised me how many churches were there just kinda checking out Rock. And I think in the next year, we're gonna see a lot that community grow even more. Community grow even more. Mhmm. For me, I think it was probably a combination of things that's already been talked about. It's kinda difficult to capture the atmosphere of the event, but there was lots of kinda, , pockets of learning going on. People just, , hadn't necessarily met each other before, sitting down, discussing what they were planning to do, what they had done, or helping each other out. And that kind of community feel was really important to me, but also just the , talk about Momentum. It was really amazing just to kind of get a a big picture overview of all the different organizations and how they're using Rock in ways that I hadn't even thought of, and that was inspiring. I think that was kind of a driving force for lot of people there. So things that came out of the conference that are accessible to those who, couldn't make it to the conference for one reason or another are that content subscription, which we hope opens up the, conference to people who are international and to people who, had a conflict with dates or, had to come across the country and a travel budget didn't really accommodate that. We want this to open it up to you, which is why we've priced it very reasonably. There are a couple other interesting things that came out of the conference too that you'll see. One of those was the introduction of our new mascot, and his name is Chip. He is a Rock lobster. John, would you please sing us a few bars of the inspiration behind that? I need to warm up a bit. I didn't know I was gonna be put on the spot. So maybe next The next podcast or the next minute? Next podcast. Oh, okay. It takes a while to get these vocal cords kind of in prime shape. K. Well Can you explain the Rock Lobster thing to potential millennials listening? So yes. Okay. Millennials. Right. So Rock Lobster is a pretty famous song Oh, really? Yeah. Many of those of us who grew up in the eighties by a band called the b fifty twos. You might know them better for Loveshack, but they also had another song called Rock Lobster. And My Own Private Idaho, which we're still trying to figure out a way to bring that into the rocks and hell. But So funny story. Two nights ago, I or two mornings ago, I woke up with Love Shack in my head, and I had never heard that before I came out here. That was good. That was good that we're trying to Frightening moment, actually. Frightening. And frightening of broadening your horizons. That's a good thing. So we do, , all things Rock punish. So when we make Chip, he's a chip off the old block, kind of a, , off a Rock block. And, of course, we wanted something kinda creative, so we said, let's do a Rock lobster. And that's where he came from. And and you'll now find Chip hanging out on the Slack channel. Right. Keeping track of people's scores and even chiming in every once in a while in various topics. Yeah. And he does have a few auto responders for if you say certain things. And so we'll be adding more features. We talked about those features in some of the slides, but there's actually some features that we haven't even talked about that aren't in the slides. One is that he does keep track of everything that's said in the public channel, so we have an archive of that now in Rock. Not quite sure what we're gonna do with that, but at least we have that if we wanna do use it in the future. But there's a few other capabilities he has. He also posts questions that get asked on the q and a into into the Slack channel, which is nice. Although, now that I just said that, I think I only activated that on the general q and a. I need to go back and do it on the other channels. So I'll do that today. It's amazing as you're thinking through all the things you forgot to do. And and he will make that announcement on the general channel? Or is it okay? Yeah. If that gets to be I mean, eventually, that's gonna get overwhelming. And so then we'll expand, , expand the capabilities to probably do it, , once a day. But we're just we're just trying to get started and add and add capabilities. So we're learning as we go. Learning as we go. But the cool thing is that and I think it's announced in the videos that it Chip runs off of Rock. , there's workflow actions. There's workflows that do all of that. There's webhooks. It's just a really cool, , proof that you can get Rock to do anything and pretty easily. I mean, doing that work was not that hard. In fact, , the fact that how he speaks into Slack is just a workflow. I mean, there was no custom dev on that. So And if you want a little more chip in your life, and really, who doesn't? Yeah. Really. You can have chip as your very own now if you purchase a chip t shirt. We have two new t shirt options available for sale. And those are CHIP and the KERNAL. If you've read the documentation, you'll recognize the KERNAL from our Person and Family Field Guide. And you can buy those right now, which is exciting. What's the link for that? I knew you were gonna ask that. And I'm trying to think through I've made so many new routes in the last few days, but I think it's promo wait. Hold on. Promo shop. Promo shop. Yes. K. We'll get it up on the Rx 2016 site also as a as a link. But, yeah, promo I'm pretty sure it's promo shop. So in that, you said, you can get those two T shirts. Right. So that's fun. So do that. Yeah. Chip in the colonel. Go. Okay. And we had another thing that came out of the conference was part of the discussion when we were being a little more transparent about where we are and what we're doing. We realized that sometimes the polished level of what comes out of the core team is really, really high. And I'm not sure that adequately represents what the team looks . We work really hard, but we've been very blessed by God. We look back on things and wonder, how on earth did all of this get done? So just a little glimpse for you, if you haven't watched that video yet, Spark Development Network is, we have a board and we have some employees, and by some, I mean me, and I'm part time. And right now our developers are doing other jobs to pay the bills and working on Rock in their spare time, and missing out on a lot of great opportunities with family and with really cool things we can do with Rock going forward. So because we've been a little quieter with that information, we to talk shop, we don't to talk funding, so we haven't been very transparent with that just by nature of who we are and what we . And if we to talk funding, we'd probably be in some kind of funding business instead of what we're doing. But we are we have an update for where we are and where we need to be. We really need to become fully funded next year so we can bring John and David on board, and we can get stuff done. We have so many great ideas. And we know you're making plans for next year for yourselves, and personally, business wise, we want to make those plans too, and we've got great ideas. So help us do that. We're opening pledges up. We started at the conference, and those will be open through the end of the year in order to fund Rock development for next year. And our goal for that is $430,000 for next year. Our pledges are open. An update on where we're at, it looks between the pledges that have come in in the last week and our recurring donations that are scheduled, we're at about 20% of that goal right now. So what we encourage people to do at the conference was if you're able to make that commitment for your organization, then would you please go do that on our website and that is, I think the link is pledge 20 17. Yep. And then if you're not the right person at your organization to make the commitment to get behind what you value here at Rock, then would you please get in contact with the person who is? who that is and how to approach them. Let me just share our need very, very openly. We have looked at a lot of numbers and tried to come up with some guidelines because we hear that that is what you need. And what is fair, what balances the weight of your organization in the system is about $1.5 per, average attendee on the weekends and that's per year. So $1.5 per average attendee per year would be a fair balance for what your, organization kind of weight is in the system. But what we do here at Spark is a ministry. So we don't charge. We're a nonprofit. We're a licensed five zero one c three. And we do that so that small organizations around the world that can't afford technology can afford Rock. So we're asking you to join us in that mission field. And if that means you need to talk to your missions pastor, great. If that means you need to talk to someone in your budget for your department, that's great too. But join us, help go above and beyond that $1.5 per attendee and help us continue offering this to organizations that are running right now off of, , Jones Rolodex and Bob's spreadsheet, and they're just not able to make themselves efficient and they're not able to spend their time focusing on their relationships and connecting where God has placed them with the mission that they are asked to do because they're spending so much time on this back office organization that we can really alleviate. So help us in that mission work so we can help you in your mission work. So we just ask that you take this week to either put that pledge in place on our website or to contact your decision maker for your organization and get that conversation started. Please keep in mind that we do have an invoice generator on our website, both on our donate page and our pledge page. So if your accounting department requires that, that's one tool that can help ease that situation for you, make it a little a little simpler for that conversation. And that's one thing, , having worked at a church for thirteen, almost fourteen years, and then transitioning into this new role. One one thing that I've seen and learned is that I think as, , in my role working at a church, really got into this market norm, which is I pay you, you give me something. I pay you, you give me something. I mean, in our culture, we just get that. , we're from the minute we're born, , we start learning market norms. And this is completely different. It's it's more of a missional or a ministry norm. It almost reminds me more of, , the first century church that we're trying to do this to help everybody. And if everybody could help us, , and we we can do much more. But I think we're so, , almost brainwashed. I know I was. Mhmm. Into, well, yeah, , I'll just give you this and then you give me that. And even if sometimes it's, , it's common and it makes sense, right, to say, well, yeah, I'll donate once we're on it. And that's kinda , once I get value, I'll give you value. There are there actually is one church who's very generous and has been for two years and isn't even on the product yet. They have a lot of, , due diligence they need to do and some stuff that they're trying to plan within the organization. That blows my mind, but it really shouldn't. , because they know that they're helping other churches. They know they're going there. They know they're a % moving to Iraq. But they started their gift early because they see that that it's a ministry norm and a missional norm and not a market norm. And I think I I can see how I was stuck in that loop. And now that I'm on the outside and sometimes I'm going to some places or some conferences, and I'm seeing not just Rock, but other services that go towards churches. And it's so, , market norm. , it it almost feels a little creepy sometimes that we're so that we're they're so focused on that. Right. And we don't want that vendor relationship with you. That's not why we're doing this. We're all a community. We're just as much part of the community as you are. So, , we've had people tell us, just send us a bill. We don't we don't want that kind of relationship with you. So we've created the tool. You can make your own invoice and put it where you need it to be, but we want you to join us in this work because it's a huge opportunity and it's one thing that people aren't doing right now. So when you find a mission niche and you feel God has placed you there, then that's the work you're going to do. And what we feel called to at the CORE team is to assist churches in being more effective and efficient right where they are. We know we're saving organizations money. We know we're improving of pastors to do the work that they need to do and less of the things that they're not so great at that pull time away from the connections that they're there to make. So join us in this ministry partnership, if you will. We don't want to have to turn into a vendor. That's exactly the opposite of the reason that we started. Definitely. , one more thing while we're still in the conference. I know in the excitement of the conference, there's a lot of conversations and a lot of I wouldn't say commitments. That's probably too big of a term. But of , I'll put something in the store, or I'll get I'll send that over to you, or I'll send you an email with that information. ? Then you get back to the office, and reality sets in again, and and you're back into all the daily grind and all the things that you miss you have to make up for. And so we get that. But if you I would just if you're listening to this, pause for a second, think about the commitments you made in terms of what emails you promised to send somebody or what information to share or what you were going to put into the Rock shop. Or just think through those, write them down real quick, and and and follow through on that. Because I think it's very easy just to kinda get back in the swing of things and lose that mountaintop experience. And, I mean, I already NewSpring has posted their attendant check-in, which is They posted some stuff up as well yesterday, right? Yeah. And it wasn't it took time and energy. So we said, let's stop what we're doing, take some time and energy to share a few of those things that we showed at the event. You mean you don't have more time and energy later? No. You can't postpone until the time and energy is banked? It's just a bullet you have to bite down on. Right. And so just follow through on some of those. Even if it's just an email, , hey, I'll send you an email on this. That's all I have to say about that. That's good. Good stuff to say about that. Oh, the Rock shop. We talked about the Rock shop at the conference. We did. Did a little walk through of it and showed some of the packages. I, yeah, I think that's one thing that, , everybody's really interested in. But, again, we get busy. And right now, you have to actually go in and go see what's new. And we're working on some ways to, in the future, to to notify you of new things. But So we did post a blog post this morning that has some of that content so you can kind of see what's in there. I mean, I think already people are getting more excited about that. Oh, that's good. So that will give some exposure to people who don't yet have Rock and don't really know how to see Right. What's in that shop because it's sort of a hidden at the moment, it's kind of a hidden ecosystem or marketplace. Yeah. I think in the future, I mean, right now, ninety nine percent of the value of Rock is in the core. But as we get more plug ins and as people get, , further along on their implementations, I mean, they're gonna get thirty, forty, maybe even 50% of their functionality functionality or value out of what's in the Rock Shop. And that's what is different about Rock and Unique. And that's what's really great about the Rock Shop too, is not everything has a price tag in there. So some things are offered for free. Some things are offered for a small price tag and the proceeds are donated to Spark. So you're really supporting Spark in a way and improving things for your organization. And some are there with a price tag that's very reasonable because if you went outside the Rock Shop to request a customized development, from a developer who's experienced with Rock, you're gonna be really paying a whole lot more. So you're supporting people who are doing that development work. You're not having to pay a lot, potentially nothing depending on the plugin that you choose. And it's it's supporting everybody all the way around. It's a pretty cool Yeah. Tool. And in general, app stores are are, , a brilliant thing in general. I mean, now we we we get frustrated when we have to pay $3 for an app in the Apple App Store. I mean, it used to be when when I was in college, typical software started at, , 50 was the cheapest, a hundred was the next price point, and then, , 300, 4 hundred. I mean, if you went to the store and you saw software, , some of the quality software we get today for $3, you'd be , are you kidding me? And I think the same thing can happen with Rock. I mean, back in the old days with the old systems, you'd have to pay $20,000 to get something custom dev ed just for you. Now that's gonna be a couple hundred. And as the community grows, it's gonna get even cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. And, I mean, it's it's just brilliant. Economy of scales. Absolutely. Right. , as as Rock hits the thousand church mark and the 5,000 church and the 10,000 church and beyond, yeah, those prices are going to drop, it's going to benefit everyone. Right. The developer is going to get a good payment for their wage, but the church is going give you a better value. I mean, look at some of those, , themes you can buy that are $30, but they've been purchased a hundred thousand times. I mean, that developer made some good money. And it's easy to get focused on that and go, well, they made way too much money. No. , I got a $30 theme. I used to have to pay thousands of dollars for, , a theme. What a great value. Right. Yeah. So v six. Wait. What about v five? I mean, v five just came out. Why you talking about v six? That's old news. Dude, v five is so yes to it. So, yeah, you you kinda blew people's minds with the talk of of v six at the conference. Right. And that's one of the sessions that's available for free that you should watch right after you finish watching Emily's. The speaker quality on that one is a little bit subpar. But but it's got some good content that you should watch after after seeing Emily's. And there's some stuff, yeah, that will blow your mind. And v six is here. , we're ready to get started on alpha and beta testing. We are. For v three or 5.3 is in beta, actually. But we're gonna release that any day. And we're also releasing six to alpha and a five four update to alpha. Right. Because we we really discovered that to go to six, you you have to make sure that your dot net framework on your hosting provider is at the right level. What level is that? Four dot five dot two, which came out in February. So it's almost no excuse that a hosting provider wouldn't be at that level, but we're gonna put a check-in. Especially since four five one really technically isn't supported by Microsoft anymore. They should've they should be on four five two. Correct. And we didn't it's not we went to the latest and greatest .net platform. There's actually a newer one, but we just chose not to go that far because a lot of hosting providers haven't reached that level yet. We're trying to track intelligently with the hosting providers. But we're also gonna put something in five four to test it for you. Right. To make sure you have it. 54 won't let you install six. We will warn you that you can't install it until you have 452. The dot framework four five two installed in order to install Rock version six. We'll put in as many dependencies and checks as we can to make it reasonable. But you won't be able to go straight to six from five o. You'll have to hit go to 54 Good. We're doing all this to make it easier for you even though it sounds complex. And Right. At almost no cost right now. Right? I mean, it goes back to donations. A lot of this is just kind of our volunteer time. That's right. Yeah. I'd say all of this. All of this is volunteer time. Yes. Okay. So six o. Check out the video. Very cool stuff. Will blow your mind. And it's coming probably in the next It's coming to alpha in the next hours or days. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty much packaged. We just have to do a few tidying up of little things. So that's very exciting. And all you Alpha users, please, the more the more time and attention you can put into testing, the better off it will be. There's some significant changes. So we'll be moving a little slower probably with six than we did with five because of that. One other thing too that if we go it touches a little bit on six a little bit on some of these testing and a little bit back to the conference. There's a lot of the developer community who are super excited, especially after the conference. Lots of new excitement. I would just want to challenge you, first of all, work on things that have a ministry benefit. I know sometimes we love to get down into the teeny tiny weeds and start making micro improvements. There's still so much low hanging fruit out there. Concentrate on low hanging fruit. So that's one point. The other point is, again, we are stressed trying to get these new features, trying to deal with some issues, and trying to work our day jobs on some consulting with other churches, that when you come to us sometimes with an idea or an issue, the more time and the more effort you can put into researching that issue, I would say don't bring issues to us. Bring solutions. It doesn't mean you have to have it all coded. But if you could just do a little bit more research into the code, if you can read the code mean, if you can't, don't worry about it do it. If it's an issue you think needs to be addressed, start looking at the code. Recommend a solution. That's not to say go code it. I'm not saying that. I mean, if you can, that's great. But just do a little bit more due diligence. It's easy to point out a flaw. It takes more time and effort to go a little bit further, research it, and say, here's the flaw, and here's what I think might be the solution. That saves us so much time. Otherwise, it keeps adding stress to us. Again, it's easy to point to the problem, but it's harder to find the solution. And I would just to challenge you. If you have the technical skills and ability to go a bit further, please do. And we realize your day job isn't to go look for those solutions. But right now, John and David's day job isn't to code Rock either. Right. So, , let's shoulder this burden together. Let's make this happen. We love to hear how improvements can be made. We want to make those improvements. Our heart is right there. But we just need everybody to help us out with this. It's an incredible opportunity. And we just need everybody to be all in. Yeah. And , sometimes I think about when these issues come in, I'm , man, I wish if we were funded, I could actually, , do this as part of my day job. Now it's just an additional thing on top. And there the issues need to be addressed. , we're not saying Do let's come under a rug. We want we have to get them resolved. And we're not dropping balls. Right. It just takes us a little longer. So help cut some of that time out if you have the skills and capabilities, and deliver those with a little bit more knowledge behind it, more information, and save our save our team some of their research time. And so now when you add an issue, is it a template you can follow? And that's not there to be, , a barrier for you. That's there to enable the developers to have a clearer picture of what you are seeing. Sometimes you come in, you've spent a little while on the problem, and you think, oh, what I'm saying is very clear. It's not because we don't have the context necessarily that you have. So if you can just, , fill out some of that information, it makes the process a lot easier for everyone involved. It cuts the communication time right down. Amen. Great point. And I think a picture's worth a thousand words. I mean, even if you think it's very, very clear, please put a picture. , I I'm working on an issue right now. I think I'm missing I think I I know it's an issue, and I just think I'm not getting it. And I don't know if I'm, , completely being I mean, I'm too tired. But but, , a picture would be great. It's so simple too in GitHub. , you can just literally copy a a photo from your from your screen and paste it into the issue. GitHub makes it so easy. There's no excuse. Yeah. But that said, if you are a mystery user and you find an issue, don't hesitate. Put it in. Yep. We we want that issue. I'm just saying if you if you're a developer and you can go a bit further, please do. It's a great way to invest in the work being done in Rock Yeah. If you have that ability. But and then when in doubt, do what you can, and and we'll we'll go from there. We'll keep asking clarifying questions and maybe try to sleep in this weekend so I can understand this issue. I I know it's me. That's the most frustrating thing about the issues. , I know I'm not I'm missing something. And I think that moment of clarity is out there. Yes. It's coming. And when it and it happens. And, , all of sudden, it becomes kinda , duh. Okay. Now I get it. It's, , obvious. Alright. Let's move on with the first myself. Those are, , our big things too. They are. And if you missed the conference, there's a great deal of wrap up here in in this, and all the links we just gave you, you can almost feel you experienced it firsthand. Mhmm. Alright. Well, signing out for today then. That's right. 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