Podcast Episode 100: Episode 73: Special Edition with Terry Storch

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In this special edition episode of Rockcast recorded at our recent Rock Experience Conference, we sit down with Terry Storch, Digerati pastor at Life.Church and co-founder of YouVersion. We'll talk about how God is in multiplication, how big dreams are part of God's vision, and how the greatest innovation happens when we're solving a problem.

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This episode of Rockcast is brought to you by Rock partner Triumph Tech, a full service specialist partner. Rock partners provide crucial support for Spark Development Network and important services for the Rock community. Connect with Triumph Tech today at rockrms.com/partners. Welcome to this special edition podcast of Rockcast. We are very excited to bring you a special guest today. This is Emily Forman, and I have John here, and our special guest is Terry Storch, Digirati pastor at Life Church. Welcome, Terry. And thank you so much for having me. It's, it's been awesome being here at the conference and excited, excited to do the podcast. Yes. I hate Hot off the stage. Yes. A little sweat. If anyone that's listening was a part, I didn't end up throwing up, but I thought about it. That's okay. Persevered through that. We were just on our last podcast talked about how Cicero, the most famous orator of all times, he threw up after every He did? Yeah, for years. Yeah. Yeah. So I was better than he right at home. So Yeah. That's great. Yeah. We had plenty of buckets backstage. We roll a little That's right. Nervous. That's what I love about the Rock community. It's about people who don't typically feel confident or natural in that state, but God calls us out to do Yeah. , amazing things. And one of the things actually Cro Bichell on his podcast that I repeat constantly is growth and comfort can't coexist. Yeah, that's right. And so you have to get out of your comfort zone. Yep. And really, think that's where we've seen the most exciting things happen is the times where we've said, well, I'm not sure anyone really has the skill set for whatever that is, or no one has the time for what that is. We just take it on anyway. That's where we see a lot of challenging work. Have you seen anything Absolutely. I mean, John, you and I were talking about this before my talk, when you were on stage, just talking about all of the features that are gonna be rolling out. I leaned over to my team member next to me and I said, it is uncanny what you guys are accomplishing and doing with such a small team. Because Emily, you talked about the size of the team before that. And so what we talked about behind, , backstage is that's when God is in it. And internally language that we talk about is that God is in multiplication. And so, it's when one plus one is not equating to two anymore. , it's that's when you just see God's work at hand. And we have so many stories about that and just realities of that. YouVersion is the first that comes to mind of that. We do have an amazing team, we have an amazing vision, but there is no way that the connectivity of how many team members to what God is that it's not a one plus one. It's a multiplication, and that's what I see with you guys as well too, of God is in this, it is supernatural, and He's working. And so I know that this isn't on our script and any of that. Yeah, just hear from me a partner now, of just massive congratulations. I mean, what you guys are doing is huge for the kingdom and it's near and dear to my heart and I'm so thankful for you guys and your commitment to it. And I know everyone listening that's a part of the Rock community would be sitting in this room and sharing the same thing saying thank you. So thank you. What I know, because pieces of it that I've been to not at Rock, but it's the tireless effort, what no one on the other side of this podcast really understands that it takes. I get it. So thank you for that. And so your work is truly a blessing to the Kingdom. So thank you guys. We appreciate that. And we know that you've been through that too. I mean, what we have today is we sometimes we take for granted it's always been there. We talked about that at the conference. When we started, all these things seemed impossible dreams. I'm sure its version was that way for , it's a seed, but Yep. Then flash forward to today, it's an impossible dream. But I think it can be seen well, it must have been easy, but it wasn't. Yeah, so again, a rant, and not on any of our, but what I loved you talked about today was now, and I think you talked about launching off of version eight, if I remember your taught, launching off of that, is that such similar vocabulary when we had the privilege to celebrate with lots of partners the ten year anniversary of the Bible app. When we were just processing that and talking through that, what many of us really resonated with is that this is really, it is a celebration, but it is really the launching pad of where we're going. And so what I resonated with where you're at and your talk is it really is that we're just getting started. It's that if what we saw that God did between version, I think you said 0.5, to eight of what He did through that, and even within eight I love I paid attention. I'm just communicating that I paid attention to version eight. And I think you versioned eight, nine times. But if that is just the baseline of now we're launching from that, it gives us a little bit picture of what's ahead and what's to come. So that resonates because we have that same language with YouVersion and launching at our ten year of how do we move from 400,000,000 to a billion and beyond, which never would have been a possibility in our mind. But now we have a new perspective. We have a new view of what's possible. And that's so much fun. I mean, it's that fun to grab that new perspective, a new view of man. I don't know that I can or we can, but I know God can because to coin from a lyric of a song is that He'll do it again because He's done it before and we can look and see what He's done and it'll launch us into the future. So I'm way off on a tangent, I No, can resonate with that. Absolutely. What's been the biggest challenge on your journey from where you started uVersion to where you are today? Woah, it was a lot. Where do I want to go with the biggest challenge? , a little bit in connection to it. I don't know that this is the it, but there have been many. , one of the challenges is really around the concept of what we're talking about is that my vision and the individual visions and dreams were too small. And so it's that recognizing you hit the reverse side of it of , I was always thinking too small. Always. And still in the even current, I'll have interactions with people that are , you're crazy. You're not. But it's stick with me. It's , look at what God did. And if I hit the rewind button to any of that, I never imagined 400,000,000. Never imagined any of those things, but look what he did. And so we can't go backwards. I don't beat myself up, , along those lines from that, but it's that trajectory moving forward of , I really would love to not be such a small thinker. And so it's pushing that and bringing that big vision of I talked about in my talk. It wasn't in my notes it just came out kind of now. But Ephesians two twenty and twenty one is God can do infinitely more than we could ever hope, dream, or imagine. And so it's , I get a glimmer into that and stretch myself to have that faith. So I think that's something that if I look back that it's , man, just think that I've thought too small and I've dreamed too small is where my mind went off of that. There's countless mistakes and errors in those, but that's one that really resonates. That resonates, that's kind of a fuel moving forward of just in faith believing, believing more. I mean, our mission is huge. Mean, we're approaching 8,000,000,000 people on earth today. And your talk, talked about community and connectedness and needed and known. I mean, that's 8,000,000,000 people. And we are going to approach a time of where they will be connected. They're not all connected now, but we can look and see the trajectory of what that's going to look , and how do we reach them? How do you build software that's serving the church market and serving that world that truly can usher Christ back in every tribe, every nation, and every tongue confesses that that is possible. Right. That's amazing. , in the Romans world, it was the road system, and now we have the Internet, and now things YouVersion That's right. To reach that. Yeah. It's amazing. I think innovation in our space is actually almost easy because we get to work with so many great churches. When you're cross pollinating ideas There's nothing you think about that, John. You don't have to different kind of party. Yeah. It's a different kind is, , getting them all to work together. But Yep. There's so many great ideas, and you and you watch so many ministries. And and then sometimes those ministries don't even know they have these great ideas Yeah. , working with projects. That's awesome. You're , working with a project right now with Watermark and this whole life It seems so simple, but it's so powerful. And then we can bring technology around that and harness it and then add four other things to another church. Yeah. So we're off on a whole different talk, if you will, but there's this concept many times around innovation, and this concept around innovation is that it sits over here, and we've got this thing that might be an innovation team or these innovative ideas. And what I loved about what you just said without saying it is that we believe the greatest innovation happens when we're solving a problem. And it's connecting that dot of you sitting down with the Watermark team and hearing all of those things is that brilliant innovation comes when we're staring at something and it's how do we get from A to Z? What does that look ? That's not in a vacuum, that's not off in an R and D lab or anything along, it's that this is what we're trying to do where the greatest innovation comes. Exactly. And I have to imagine that that's a thrill in your role and what you get to do is kind of facilitating that process and being a part of that, and I'm sure whiteboards everywhere and the ah 's come out of Those ah 's are so much fun. Yeah, and I feel sometimes it's almost not fair because I get to go from one call to another call, and that pollination, even within a day, it's you put those three things together, and it's just so much better. And none of it really came out of even our office. It's just all those other church offices are all working together. Yeah. Yeah. So you just said three, so I'm just gonna call that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost. Just the Trinity right there. Sure. Know. Bam. Just got showed up. Boom. So I'm on a roll. I'm answering all sorts of stuff, and we're not even on the script yet. Well, I thought it was amazing miracle that what you said, what Michael Mullican from Newspring said, and then what Emily and I were talking about, it just was interwoven. It's almost we sat down for three days and wove our conversations. There was a little bit of that, but nowhere near it. Not that level. So it's so cool in that, and it happened last year too. Yeah. God just shows up in cool ways. So yeah, absolutely. So Terry, for the people that did miss the conference and missed your talk, could you give just a quick bottom line summary of the key points that you're Yeah, for $59.95 and act right now because Rock twenty twenty is, I'm not going to announce because I don't know if publicly, but where you're going and the resort is amazing, so do not miss it. Right, register now. Now. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Yeah, so I talked about launching and sustaining with why, which originally was just kind of connected to Simon Sinek, who nine years ago really popular on a TED talk around start with why. Brilliant, that kind of shaped for leaders and organizations the importance of starting with your why, which was kind of the centerpiece of my talk. But I pushed that a little further, and what I talked about was we've all experienced it. Starting something, yes, can be really complicated and really challenging, but in the grand scheme, the start is the easy part. So I really wanted to spend a little time with kind of my twenty years of experience in ministry around moving from just starting to launching and sustaining with your why. So I shared four kind of key components that were really near and dear to me with many failures, many challenges around how to do that. And it starts with simply knowing your why. In my experience, I saw it when I asked hands, that people might tell you is that, oh yeah, I know my why. But you really push in and you say, clarify it and write it down, is that we haven't moved from head to heart knowledge. We haven't moved from just this intellect thing that I think that I know it, to what I really understand why I'm here, and what God's done. And so I challenged people to clarify it, to write it down, shared a little, , some areas where that literally saved my marriage, of just a really trying time, that was a big key. Then I went into, I figured this topic would be fresh for this team, or this group that was there, around scope creep. , most people know what scope creep is, and you don't have scope creep if you're delivering as many versions as you are, you're focused. But how you accomplish that is focus, right? It's I create this focus, and what I've experienced myself, and what I've seen is that it's not scope creep around this, it's our what creep. It's the what, it's the snazzy new little what things, it's the new ideas, it's all of these, and without focus on our why, the what just creeps in and it'll creep into our lives, it'll creep into our teams, it'll creep into our organizations if we don't create focus and recognize it. And I don't know how people received it, but I challenged everyone in the audience of that they have to own it. Because what I've experienced is that I'm the problem. It's not, it doesn't happen to me. It happens from me, from that what creep, and that we've got to own that and then realign with our mission and those type pieces. And then I kind of transitioned into the power of legacy that comes from long term thinking. That I had this concept of being in our why. So being in your calling and in your why multiplied by time equals legacy. Know that I've experienced that I want results now. I wanna see the impact now. I worked all weekend long and delivered this and I want instant results. And sometimes we can have those, but legacy is shaped by now, but it's really shaped over the long haul. And we can't allow a short term mindset impact a long term goal and vision. And then I'm doing my whole talk for you now. That's great. So I'm glad I memorized it. And then the last component was all of that's good, I felt I needed to share some personal side with that. It is that really you're starting from the center if it's in your why, and you move to the how, and then you move to your what. I've recognized in my own life and in others that I've seen is that if our who, who we are in Christ and whom we are, if that's off any tad bit of it'll drive a motive, it'll drive an inner struggle, a pride, any of those, if any of that's off by one degree, we can end up even being in the right why, but if our inner motive is off in any way shape and form, we can really be derailed. And so going back to that identity, our identity in Christ and who we are is that we are a masterpiece, , created anew in Christ Jesus and recognizing that and embodying that. That's helped me many many times when I'm getting tripped up operating in an amazing why, but I'm off and my motives are off, I'm wrestling with my identity, and I'm trying to be the hero or the known or the smartest or any of those type things, that's gonna catch up with me. And so, yeah, that was my talk for people that couldn't make it. Well, thought every one of your points was excellent, but that last point, I mean that almost deserves a book revision on know your why. Yeah. As soon as you put that graphic up, know it, I'm , that's good. That's good. You have to know who you are before why. Yeah. I had no idea what my time was, and I didn't have I knew you guys had thirty minutes for me, and I hear that I was about thirty five. I apologize long. But I had a moment with God last night when I was worshiping at NewSpring and I heard a song I'd never heard before, Leland. And man, the lyrics were just wrecking me and connecting me back to this know your why and the whole song was just about who God is and where He's at and it lyrics just totally go through, , no matter what trial you're going through, no matter what challenge you're going through, will matter. And it's just ringing over and over and over, but I was nervous about my time, so I decided to not weave that in at my clothes. But those are just those things of just being sensitive to the spirit walking in that and walking in that who and just, yeah. So again, sorry, I'm off a tangent Yeah, those were all incredible. Yeah. And I think even just the very beginning when you said, This is where I started, but then I went on. I mean, just the concept of starting versus sustaining for me always resonates. Because I have been a part of starting a lot of things, and I've been a part of sustaining a lot of things, and they take different types of energy. They do. They take different types of effort, and just because you figure one out one time doesn't mean you figure the other out, or doesn't mean you figure the same thing out a different time. Packed into that. Yeah, and what probably have experienced through that, and I know you have or you wouldn't be sitting here as successful as you are, it's what didn't make into the talk, what I talk about a lot, I think I may have mentioned it last, but it's that insatiable appetite for learning, and that spirit of openness of constantly learning and developing is that that's an attribute that I think is important to sustain. What proverbial book title, What Got You Here is Not Gonna Get You There, that you're gonna find a time of what you and John are leading with as successful it is, you're gonna run into a lid. And you've probably already hit in your eight years, you probably already hit multiple You're gonna hit more. And sorry for the encouragement, but you're gonna hit more of those lids. And what I just believe is that your trajectory where you came from, there's gonna be learnings that are going to equip you to make the new decisions to get you to the next place. But there's going to have to be that posture of learning and openness. Because what I found that a lot of people that can sustain, they'll hit that lid and they'll walk through denial and they'll walk through I'm not at a lid and not be open to what changes do I need to make. A lot of times those changes are in us, and I've hit many lids where my leadership was the lid. My team is swallowing me up, because they're going to levels that I'm struggling to get there, and so it's having those reconciled questions with ourselves of what are my own challenges that are getting in the way of this being, , being in that. And so those if we don't have that humility and that open posture that we can get swallowed up and spit out. And I become the problem. So yeah. And it's really painful to acknowledge It's very painful. And then to try and walk through it and keep on vision target. Yeah, is. And so I think that John, you and I've had a handful of conversations around this and you've got such great track record and experience, and you've had you've had to reinvent yourself multiple times. Oh, yeah. And and and nobody's watching us on camera right now, but , I mean, we're not the young I mean, we're not we're not in our 20s anymore. Nope. And so those things too get a little bit hard, know, of those. And I just commend you and how you've had to reinvent yourself and adjust and recognize even today what you're staring at, you've recognized these are things that are gonna have to change and gonna have to, and those aren't always the easiest things to navigate, , to navigate. Back to my talk, is that in the middle of those is that why you're gonna be successful is that the mission's bigger than you. And you recognize that and it's mission first and I know I've got to move in this area and bring some surrounding because you're focused on the mission. That's why it's , it's gonna work, , and it's gonna get where it needs to be. Yeah. Think the mission just kind of outlines the path that we have to go on, and then it's up to you to make the decision whether you're walk that path or if you're gonna stop on that path. Yeah. And right now, I mean, there's so much momentum that you almost get pulled on that path, which is good. Yeah. But if you're not willing to grow through that, then, yeah, I never would have thought the things I'd have to do, , getting up on stage, you, mean, it's not what I'm most comfortable with, but it's what we're called to do. Yeah. That's right. And I think that's what's good about the community. Yeah. There's a lot of people being stretched. That's good. I I was thinking last night, , as I'm suffering through my nerves, I was just thinking, , there's a tons of hotel rooms right now. All these Rock community guys who gonna be up there, there's 60 speakers. Yeah. And they're all going through that. Yeah. And I think it's cool that we have that, , together that Yeah. That's right. Wondering, , how's that gonna go tomorrow. That's good. And it always comes off so well. Yeah. It does. And our mom's probably told all of us, become who you hang out with. Yeah. And that's what I love about this community because we're hanging out with a lot of people who are in the business of becoming and they're not satisfied with maintaining. They want to become. And so it's so much easier to shoot for the big vision to iterate on that vision as you were talking about earlier. You're surrounded by people that are reaching and pushing and helping at the same time. Yeah, I loved how you said becoming and that's brilliant. That's good. That's good. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Well, I remember the first time we met or I met you, you had come to CCV, and you're just doing the the fellowship one. Remember thinking, this guy knows so much about so much. And I was just so I mean, even down to, , Czech readers, I was , he knows every model. He knows how that, know, all the different types. I was just so impressed. So you wanna hear a really crazy story? Yeah. So here's a really crazy story about a Czech a Czech reader. And so, , we're we're rolling out, and we're full we're on Rock now, and it's awesome. And I walked, I don't sit in a lot of these meetings, but I walked in one of the meetings where we're testing the physical check readers for the Rock tool that we're using and replacing it. And we were running into challenges and they just couldn't get it to work. I stepped into this meeting and they shut it down and went a different direction. No, no, what were you talking about? And they were going through all of the problems. And so this, I mean John, that probably would have been in 02/03, somewhere around there. And floods of information comes back into drivers and all of the things that we had to with all of the scan drivers back when we were building Fellowship One before it was even known as Fellowship One. And so just gave them, it's , so guys, if I were you, this is what I would do. It's bypass all of that, go to the manufacturers, download, go download the drivers, and try and get it to work outside of the app, and my guess is that that will solve the problem. And then just let them know what that was, and apparently that fixed it. It's pretty much always drivers with those things. Yeah. So that's so funny. You brought that up. We didn't even talk about that. I'm , yes, I remember those days, and praise God that I'm not having to navigate that anymore because I have all these needless information in my head. But I remember our meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Our past kinda kinda crossed for probably a decade. Yeah. They did. They did. You guys were were doing great work at CCB, and that was pre Arena, wasn't it? Yeah. We were actually just working on Arena. At that point, was kind of , well, , we got this. We'll probably just keep doing this. Yep. And then our paths just keep kind of crossing every so often, and it's just amazing now with the teams that we get to work with. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And so when you were in your talk, I loved your visual of the church management system. And then Michael Mullen was asking how many were in the church management business in '99? And off in a corner with my hands barely up with two others in the room. And so, it's been a crazy journey man. I don't know of how many people that have been navigating this type of space that long. And so I'll pray for you. Yeah, I haven't broken for you yet. But I enjoy it. It's really It's so rewarding. You guys, I hope recognize what you're a part of. I mean, of looking out and my five seventy four churches, I think is what I remember seeing on that slide. Or people in the audience of seeing that and what you guys are fueling with the community. I hope you feel, , the gravity in a positive, , and inspiring way with that because it truly is, I mean, it's kingdom shaping. Yeah. And what fuels us is your stories. I mean, you shared some today. Michael shared some, and I know there's a whole bunch more stories coming over the next few days. Those are what fuel us. It's the individuals who have been impacted. Yeah. It's easy to hear, oh, yeah, we use this feature. We love it. Yeah. But that one story about one person impacts us more than Yeah. Yeah. So I love hearing those stories. And we can take those back and share them with our staff. Yeah. Because the work they're doing, they're sitting in around four walls, , and they're working diligently at what they do every day. And those stories don't always trickle back. When they do, they make a big impact. That's your chief reminding officer, right? Of why they do what they do. Because you got to connect them outside of the lines of C sharp code and all of that. That's not why they're there. And the stories of those drivers. That's good. That is good. So Terry changing systems. You mentioned during your talk, life church has moved to Rock. That's painful, it's risky, it's challenging. Ultimately, what was the reason you decided to take that journey? Yeah, so this has been, it really has been kind of behind the scenes effort from our church for quite some time, and so we knew, again the proverbial what got us to where we were isn't going to get us to where we need to be. A big chunk around that really started landing in some of the flexibility that we really were struggling with not having, it isn't always this easy way to say it, is that full access to our data. Right, it's just the flexibility that comes when I can have that, and I can freely get it in and out, and be able to do what I need was really starting to be a significant inhibitor for us for quite some time. And so what I've learned over the years, because I've got this gift and curse known as activation, so what learned over years is that it's not successful for me to just dive into that and rip a band aid off and pay the new course. We just started really paying attention to what's happening in the community. We started really evaluating what we were lacking, some of the challenges that we were facing, and really painting a vision of what is our mission and where do we need to head and where do we need to chart. And that's what kind of fueled us is , okay, so we're going to start this exploration of who or what can help us to accomplish our mission. And I was at dinner with another church that's here that's not a Rock church yet, and what I was telling was , look, I will always shoot straight. I mean, I'm not gonna, I have no, there's nothing in it for me to not. But it's , so when we map that out, and we then really dove off into what are our options. And then when it came back to elements, and these aren't every church's why, but we have some whys that are around the capital C Church. Wise around is that generosity side for us of what that looks . And for us, yes, a bit of that's financial, and we love financially supporting you, but for us, it's that that's only one part. The other part is, we want to give back to what we're a part of, because that's been a part of our story since 02/2006. And so when we started mapping all of that out, and this is what I shared with that other church, it's there was no other choice. I mean, was crystal clear, locked in, it's the Rock is the way to do it. The only other option for us is we do it ourselves. But then that was a little bit anti some of our mission and vision of community and being a part, and capital C, , capital C Church. And I also, , was , no, not again. Been there, done that. I don't want anything to do with that. That's John's. So there's lots of nuances, tons of our team I think are doing different sessions around all the ins and outs of that going on now and over the next couple days. That's a little bit of our journey and what that looked . And I mentioned it on stage, and I hope it came across right, but I think this is important. It's that when I originally looked at the what, and I just focused on the outside of it, honestly speaking there was things that just didn't line up. Know, it's , I don't have any, I mean, I've got lots of engineers, none understand this technology. And we just kind of started looking at some of the outsides of the what's and it's , I just don't see this working. But pushing us further out of the what into the how, and when I get into that, that's when I start learning about open source of how you're executing it and all of those. Okay, that's a lot more intriguing to me, and kind of how in that standpoint other churches are involved, and what that looks . When I pushed even further into your why, and why you exist, and that it's all about the people, and it's all about that element, it's , that's it. I mean, I can move past some of these components into our whys are in totally aligned. And it was the rocket fuel as you did your talk of , we're moving forward with this. Yeah, it's great. It's interesting you mentioned that about the community and the why because your team has just jumped in as far as it comes to the community, into engaging with the core team, and just doing all those things in a really modeled manner. And so I think we can see that alignment with the why in action. That's so good to hear. I know that that's our heart and that was a big component of getting in with you guys and doing this is that it is that two way street. And it's how our team's wired. I think that our team shared a handful of stuff with us just around running into I think the scale that we brought to it was at a different But immediately it pushed our team into, man, we see these database queries and they're diving off into it and it's , hey, I think if you change this to that, and that's just that's what we love, . And that's what we're always gonna bring to the relationship and partnership of , we'll be your best friends and that you're, oh gosh, they're here again. Now you guys have such a great heart, but when you do things that, you make it better for everybody. And maybe everybody doesn't have the scale problem that you do, but by making it more efficient, we reduce the cost of running Rock for everybody. Yeah. We love that. That's that's the whole community. Yep. Better together. Yep. Yep. Yep. That's what we believe in, and that that's a part of the why, and and that's that's why it was a no brainer, , a no brainer for us to, to partner with you guys. And lots of people on your on your team have always mentioned, hey, this is the way we kind of want this feature, but if you think it's going be better for more people in the big C church, we're willing to flex on that or even change the way we do it to make sure that it fits, and that's just a great heart. Yeah, that's birthed, a lot of that's birthed out of in 02/2006, a decision to kind of freely give everything away birthed what is open network, and where we have our own kind of church SaaS products, our church online platform, and church metrics. So we have to eat our own dog food in that. It's that we have our own desires of , where do I want to take this product to meet our own internal internal needs. But it's that's not how the mass majority do it. And what we have to flex, we go back to mission first. It's it's more about the mission than that. So how can I think about it different? And how can I think from that? It's good to hear the team should be conditioned to think that And I think that was a beautiful insight of yours a long time ago when you recognized for this thing called Rock to really be all that it needed to be. You went out on a limb and recognizes I've got to pull this out of CCB and I gotta move that out for some of those very reasons. And I believe that that's blessed CCB and amazing more than they would have ever imagined and the risk that they would have taken to do that. And the Capital C Church is seeing the value of that. And so I'm glad that our team is acting that way and stewarding that well. Because we absolutely know that we're not shy on ideas. We're not a % sure that they're the right or the best ideas. And so we'll bring the ideas and open to what's the best way to solve it. Yeah, well no your team's been just really good to work with. That's great. Yeah, we love working with mean they're fast iterators, they're fast learners. When you put two high learning, high growth teams together and your team is in some new waters and we're in some new waters and we're navigating them together. It's just been really incredible opportunity. It's fun. It's It's fun. It's I know things that aren't talked on stage and we're probably not gonna talk about here, but some of the stuff that we're working on together and all that is pretty exciting. Yeah, and everybody's gonna benefit from it. Yeah, and I think it's just the beginning of what this coalition and this unity of truly the capital C Church unifying together. Because we are better together. And we are that is true. And so so hopefully hopefully we're gonna see the fruit, , the fruit of that. Hopefully we will. We will see the fruit of that. Well, even some of the features that you're interested in, you want to work with other churches on those features. That's right. we did one for Text2Give, we announced at the You guys worked with us in cooperation with Shepherd Church. Shepherd Church, yeah. And we're all working together. Yeah. And what I heard from your team was you want to do more and more and more I want to learn that. The more we can work together on features, not just the two of us, but three of us or four of us. So during both of you guys' talk, I think I probably sent about 30 text messages to my team. It's , we in that conversation? Are we in that conversation? Who are we talking to? What about that? So yes, we want more and more of that. Because again, we're not shy of ideas but I recognize kind of what I said on the front side with the YouVersion team is that broadening the inputs are going to make our ideas better because there's definitely things that we're not thinking about. And so who can join in some of these conversations when you're talking about engagement spiritual journey and that aspect. But , my mind goes to infinite amount of conversations that we're having along those lines. And it's a really tough complex, , model to think through true spiritual journey, it's really complicated. And so it's as we're mapping that, it's really from a technology standpoint, it's just a data point. , so how do we want to think through that? And those are conversations I'd love to have some of the top churches that are processing and thinking about that in a room together. And really hammer out what could this look and how can we all partner together to move that to a place of not about the technology, not about any of that, it's about the result of that. If we can figure out that data layer and figure that out and technology can help someone facilitate their walk with Christ and move them into a new connection with Him and a new awareness of their, that's just powerful. Right. And we want to be a part of that conversation. Yeah. That's we talked a little bit at the conference today is that for the last eight years we've been working on the features we had to work on because everybody had to have that feature. Yeah. Now we get to work on the features that we want to work on. Yep. And so it's kind of exciting to make that pivot and be able to do that at this point. Yeah, for sure. Well, I know you have a ton of resources that you give out. , one of my favorites is Dispatch. Oh, yeah. Read that religiously every Friday. How can someone sign up for that if they're not already part of So I randomly just kind of pull together my thoughts and ideas and share them, typically on a weekly basis, if I'm not traveling a lot. So it's just an email dispatch. You can find it at my website terrestorch.com, and it's just called dispatch. And so terrestorch.com will get you there, and totally free. And yeah, so it's always fun. I don't really pay attention to who subscribes and what that looks . So it's always fun every now and then when I'll go in and see the growth of it, but I love you, I love the replies. And so the tons of weekly email replies that I get of something that I wrote, or a thought, or an idea, or a parenting concept just resonated with someone. So I love hearing feedback that way. Yeah, so thanks for that shameless plug. Well, hey, as a leader and someone who likes to innovate, think the most important thing you can have is a net, a filter of all this data that's coming to And I have my filters, but to be able to tap into someone else's filter is , I mean, you can't put a price on that. And it's just amazing. Love going through it. If that's your random thoughts, those are pretty good random thoughts. So I appreciate that. Yeah, whoever's interested in a little of what's going on in my brain, the Terry Storch dispatch is a great way to catch up on that. That's awesome. That's good. Good. Well, you so much for joining us at the conference stage. And here for the podcast, we really appreciated your time and your involvement in our community. Honored to be here. Honored to be on the podcast and take it into all of these different journeys that we went on. But you're so welcome. Thank you guys for what you do. Pleasure. Do a church that loves the idea of using Rock but hasn't taken that leap yet? With managed hosting, churches of any size can get access to Rock's amazing technology, hassle free. With just one click, Rock's managed hosting removes the roadblocks that might stop a church from switching to Rock by making the process simple. Churches get the ease of a SaaS church management system without losing any of Rock's powerful features. Are you ready to take the next step or share with another local church? Visit rockrms.com/hosting today.