Podcast Episode 181: Episode 154: Special Edition with Adam Hann and Gerry Miller

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Get ready to be inspired as Adam Hann and Gerry Miller share their firsthand experiences, insights, and strategies for leveraging Rock to its fullest potential. From managing workflows to facilitating meaningful interactions, they unveil how Rock RMS has become the backbone of their digital ministry, propelling their mission forward with efficiency and effectiveness.Show Notes: LCBC Church: https://www.lcbcchurch.com/ RockChat: https://community.rockrms.com/chat RX Content Subscription: https://community.rockrms.com/subscriptions/rx23 RX Speaker list: https://rx.rockrms.com/speakers Rock SponsorsWe are thankful for our Rock Sponsors and their support of the Rock Community. Visit their websites through the link above to learn how they can help your ministry and confirm that those you work with are as invested in the success of Rock as you are!

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This episode of Rockcast is brought to you by Rock partner Triumph Tech, a full service specialist partner. Rock partners provide crucial support for Spark Development Network and important services for the Rock community. Connect with Triumph Tech today at rockrms.com/partners. Welcome to Rockcast, the podcast that explores the intersection of technology, ministry, and community with ROCCRMS. I'm Emily Forman, and today we have a special edition of our podcast. Joining me are Laurie Yoakum and two special guests. We have Adam Han and Jerry Miller. Adam's the digital director of LCBC Church, and Jerry is the developer at LCBC. They're joining us this morning to talk a little bit about how Rock is working in the context of their church. Welcome, Adam and Jerry. Hey. Thanks for having us. It's so good to have you. So just as a little background for our listeners, LCBC is in Manheim, Pennsylvania. You've been running on Rock since April of twenty nineteen, have around 20,000 people in attendance spread across 19 campuses with another couple on the way. There's quite a lot going on on any given weekend, and I know anytime I connect with the two of you, it seems there are many, many agendas moving forward at the same time. So we're really excited to hear about how you're using some of the unique tool sets inside Rock to help manage that. Yeah. Now how will people recognize you? Where might they run across you in different community roles? Yeah. So for me and as people get used to our voices, this is Adam talking because you can't see us. For me, I've spoken a few times at Rx. So there you might come across, , an old , if you have any of the subscriptions, an old talk from me. And right Rocket Chat a little bit, but more of the team is in Rocket Chat more than I am. But a lot of times, I'll be, , the guy that's answering questions for new churches that are interested in checking Rock out. We'll be at the conference. If you see me, I'm probably one of the taller actually, Jerry and I both are probably one of the taller guys that will be at the conference, but because there are a few different areas where you'd see us. Yep. Jerry, you've been heavily involved as well. I think we've seen you on on some testing teams, and we will see you at the conference in as a speaker this year as well. Yeah. Totally. So we alpha and beta test, and this will be my third year presenting at the conference. And then I'm always in rocket chat. So someone, , sees me in one of the channels, just hit me up. More than happy to answer any questions. That's right. And the you're right about the height. As a five four individual, when I first met both of you, I was a little surprised to have tell you what. You look , it's hard to tell on video when people only on Yeah. On video. So that's one of the fun things about the conference is to see everybody in person. Well, we're gonna talk some about what you're doing with Rock today, but we don't want to have any spoilers for your conference sessions either. So feel free to say find out more about this when you come listen to us at the conference. We don't wanna steal the joy from that as well. Now LCBC has been very intentional about the strategy behind your tools. It's very easy to get adoption of tools ahead of strategy to solve immediate problems, but that's something that we've seen really standing out in the culture that you have there, which is get the strategy first and then figure out which tools to use and how to apply them. And we've seen that in the way that you adopt different features over time, and that's been really interesting. So as you've continued to develop your approach to your digital strategy that's impacted the different features that you're using inside Rock today. But let's start back in the day. What when you first came to Rock, why was it, and what did you come originally for? What feature set drove you that direction? Yeah. A lot of what happened when we moved to Rock kinda started many, many months before that. And it started with a strategy session where we were kind of, , looking over the next five years. And we're , hey. Where where where do we wanna be? What do we be able to do? And we kind of started outlining, , different user experiences, way people will interact with the church, and then just our different platforms. And what we kept coming back to was we needed a solid hub to start from, a solid base, a Rock, if you will. And will. If you will. And and we just kept coming back to realizing, , hey. We really think Rock is the answer for us to do that. , we when we look at all these different things we wanna go after, we can see that Rock would be the the the hub to that wheel or whatever it might , whatever analogy you wanna go after. And so it kinda started there. So then, , as we dove into, , the migration and, , our processes and all that stuff, we started just seeing, first of all, just, , the great tool set that already existed. So, , by the time we were jumping on board, might have been, , v seven or v eight, maybe somewhere in there. And we were, , already just finding a lot of the stuff that we need was ready to go and just needed some configuration. But then, also, we had some, , unique needs, that we're trying to solve for, and we're able to work with a Rock partner to figure that stuff out pretty easily. So, , for out of the gate, I felt we launched on a on a really solid foundation of just being able to start going after, some of the things that we were trying to get to. And the first couple years were very much process oriented and kind of internal tools, And now we're really getting to And that was fun as well. And our staff loved it, but now I feel we're really starting to get into the fun stuff where we can start to unlock some really cool potential for our attendees and people that engage with LWC. That's awesome. It's such a it's so fun to see that it has what your staff needs to do what they do on a weekend and weekend out basis, especially the amount of time it saves and what it does for just expanding the ministry internally. But I love that you guys have gotten to the point that you are moving externally and looking at your people and how do you help them become, more devoted followers of Jesus. And so I love that you're using Rock in both directions because sometimes we see it that it's only going one way. And so it's really fun to, get to talk to you about those those things that you're doing externally now. So Yeah. If you compare that background of where you came from and you said that the interesting things are on the horizon for the external perspective, what are some of those features that you're leaning into now? Yeah. So that we're looking forward to? Mhmm. Is that what you mean? Yes. That you're starting to incorporate that are different and that you're looking forward to. Yeah. So I think one of the big changes we made in the past year is two months ago now, we launched our website on Rock. And we started, , kind of, , a very base level, some personalization stuff here and there around the website, but we're already coming kinda dreaming of ideas , hey. How can we use segments and filters that are built right into Rock, to do different things, on our website so that we're delivering the right message to the right person, , in the right place and and kind of helping to connect people that way. So we're starting to think through the logged in experience on the website and how we can continue to engage people where they're at, specifically with, , the right next steps or information for their campus or whatever it might be. And then I know, , Jerry can tell you a little bit just even some of what we're dreaming about with our apps, with our TV apps, and and mobile apps. Yeah. Totally. And when we're talking about, , platforms in the future, , over the past so many months, we've just sit back and made some different decisions, moving the or move in the process of moving our app to Rock Mobile. We went to the core Apple TV app, and we looked at all different kinds of different all other platforms. And we're , k. If we do this, we have to build all this extra stuff out. If we do this, we have to build all this extra stuff out. And if we go with, , for instance, , Rock Mobile or the Apple TV app, it's, hey. I need to know Lava and TVML, and I need to know Lava and Xamarin. And I know I I have a bunch of people who already know Lava, so that's just learning the different markup language on top. Yeah. So, , that was just giving us the foundation to move forward. And then we're just looking at now. We're excited to be able to do the personalization stuff, the building out tools in Rock Mobile, customizing the TV experience with Apple TV, just using the different built in model functions and personalization. And we're really excited about that. And the website too. We have a big article content library, and we're getting to the point where we're getting ready to check the checkboxes to boost content based off segments. And that's gonna be so cool to be able to have someone go to our website. They're logged in. , we know they're a parent or we know they're single and pop the relative relevant content to the top of the articles. That's Mhmm. I mean, that's gonna be the home run right there. That's absolutely a home run. And in case any of our listeners missed it, you actually launched the first Rock powered Apple TV app in the community. So if somebody's been wanting to see one in the wild, they should check yours out as an example of some things that can be done inside the a Rock Apple TV app. Yep. It's very exciting to hear what you have coming next when it comes to personalization, the use of segments and content. And that's something that has been a dream for a lot of churches. And I know a lot of them are also considering the foundational move of their CMS tools over to Rock to be able to have that opportunity in front of them without trying to piece together other external tools and then keep up with the pace of development inside Rock. So it's very exciting to hear that that's, , right on your horizon. That's that's incredible. It's a great way to make Yeah. And I Oh, it's a great way to make that big church feel small because it you feel known when you walk in. Yeah. Yeah. And I I would even say too for, , churches that there are so many, I mean, honestly, there's a lot of options out there for how you can personalize content through different services or different other tools. And when we looked at it, we're , hey. If we're starting out with this, , why don't we just leverage all the functionality that Rock gives us? All of our people data is there. That's where we're, , pointing our staff to use on a daily basis to make sure everything's up to date. So why aren't we just leveraging that same tool set and information to keep moving forward that that, , that attendee facing, , personalization side of it? And I I just even a real small example, I just remembered that we're working on on our website is we had I think, Lori, you mentioned we have, , a couple of new campuses on the way this year. And one of the locations, we're just trying to help people know that we're interested in coming into their their part of the state of Pennsylvania. So we we've been working on, , a banner on our own page that you would only see if you're coming from, , an IP filter set from that city in the state. So that way it's not just they're hanging out for everyone to see what might not be relevant to everyone, but for the people that are wanting to learn more about who LSVC is or, hey. I met some guys that says they wanna start a church in our neighborhood, and they end up on our website. And they would see, hey. We wanna come, be a part of this community. So that's just a very simple way that we're, , looking to add some personalization and, kinda crafting that content for the right people. That's a really creative approach to that. Incredible. And then the opposite spectrum of that for people who are known, with one of our campuses, we're piloting where if you checked your kid into the kid ministry environment, we'll actually send the parents who checked in checked their kids in that week, hey. Here's some questions for the ride home. And eventually moving that hopefully to a push notification with our Rock mobile app in the coming weeks. That's awesome. Having all that data right there Mhmm. Being able to pull from. Yeah. It really hinges on the fact that you can know your people well because of that data being in a central location. Mhmm. I I know when you use external applications that there are some ways you can have some efficiencies for your staff. A lot of that can sometimes be centered around the use of content and content channels. How are you finding the use of content channels to help create a seamless experience for your staff in monitoring your external applications? One thing we're doing now with the website is we've just rolled out the ability for all our central ministries to post their own content on the weekend. So we're not the ones posting that content every weekend to multiple places. So for instance, our, kid ministry team can go in and post their content in one spot, and it hits the website, hits the, TV apps, and then hopefully, eventually, the mobile app as well. Nice. So it's a great example. So that's been huge. Yes. Absolutely. It's very nice to have that heavy lift spread and then to be able to just centralize. It doesn't have to be entered into three different places. It's really nice. Yeah. Yeah. And it's been really an easy workflow for them because we're using the media sync plugin. Oh, yeah. So it's just title, select the video from the drop down, this is the data goes, push submit. It's been great. That's incredible. So anybody can do it? Anyone can do it. That's a great point. That's what we to hear because sometimes people think Rock is too hard to use. So I love that you've created it in a way that anybody can do it. Yeah. If you can fill out a web form, can post content. It's fantastic. Nice. Especially when you're the size you are, you need to make sure each department because they know what information they want out there. They know it best, and that way it doesn't get lost in translation when you fill out a form and this person then enters it, but they have no idea what that event is. So that is that is so good. So it sounds you've had a lot of strategic discussions and decisions internally. How is it that you can help present these to the executive team or present recommendations for what services and tools to use? Can you walk us through how that kinda works on the backside of LCBC? I know that's something every church has to work through. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. And that that was a little bit of a journey for us as well. Some of that was we were a part of, a few years ago, some different cohorts of churches where we were learning how to use, , data really well, learning how to do to draw engagement at our churches and how to use data to track that. And what we've been able to do over time is just come back and kinda keep showing up, just starting with data, even just the data that you have today, and just showing and kind of proving out either different points or different ideas that we might even have to our leadership and how we can move forward with different initiatives. And then what's happened over time is that has slowly just, one, built trust for us, for our team, and for the people around that. And it's also given us a seat at the table. And one thing I wanna say with that is that you don't always need to have a seat at the at the table, , to help influence things. You can definitely lead up, and that has been the case for many years for us. But, yeah, getting a seat at the table and then just being able to show up for all of our ministry teams really well, and be able to deliver solutions that are helping solve problems that they have, whether that's, , an internal problem, , more of, , a , back end ministry process or it is, , more of, , an an attendee facing thing. , hey. How can we make a better experience? , , the thing that the feature that maybe we're a little behind on is volunteer scheduling, and we're really looking at how can we roll that out in the next year at LCBC to be leveraging that well. And we see a ton of value from the attendee perspective to be able to to engage that tool well. And, also, I think it will help our staff volunteer leaders. So being able to consistently show up well. And then the other part with that is also helping our ministry teams think. So first, you gotta make sure that, , as a technology team or IT team or whatever, , seat you might be sitting on at a church, you've gotta think through kind of that user experience lens. , what are we asking people to do? And then once you feel you've got that down, then you've got to help other staff figure out how to do that as well. And a lot of times, that's kind of the biggest challenge, not because staff don't wanna think that way, but we're we're in the day to day Yep. , ministry grind of it. And being able to just kinda show up and help our ministry, , counterparts is to understand, , hey. Have you thought about this? What if we could do x, y, and z? Or even starting at little solutions and then kinda gradually building over time has really kind of built that trust for us to now it's actually more where maybe we're getting a little too much too many requests for ideas for work. And now it's more , cool. What's the most important thing that we should be working on as a church? So that that's kinda how we've gotten that direction. Another good example or another example, at least, is even with, , the website project. I mean, we started that conversation a year ago with our leadership team. I even kind of tried to write up almost a formal proposal, an executive summary for, , our leaders. , hey. Here are the benefits that we will get out of moving our website to Roth. And I I gave them three things that we'd be looking at, the cost of what we'd be doing, and then what they could expect on the backside of it. And now we're in that spot where, cool. Now I need to go back and, , answer those three things. Hey. Look how we were able to do this with this investment. So it's a little bit of all those things that slowly kinda build trust and move direction. And it's definitely not an overnight thing. Mhmm. But it's just that consistent day to day showing up. Hey. We can help you solve that problem. , let us help. Not getting, I mean, not to say that we don't get frustrated, but not getting frustrated or mad when they go use SignUpGenius instead of Rockstar or some SignUp thing or something that. But just being , hey. We actually have a solution. What what do you love if that data was in Rock? Actually, yeah, that'd be really helpful. Hey. Can I show you this thing that we have and we can set it up for you? So those little things on a day to day basis have really helped. That's really great advice because we do have churches that sometimes sit back and go, well, our leadership just doesn't see it. They don't understand why we need to do this. And so one, knowing that it's gonna take time to turn that ship, and coming in with facts. This is this is the way to do this. This is let me present this to you. And then you said, that showing up day in and day out. Hey, I think this could work better. Let's try this. What do you think about that? That that's all great advice, and that's a great way for, churches to start to win over, their leadership to understand what technology can do for not only the staff, but also your congregation, your attendees. I think sometimes we wanna swing for the big win, and, really, it's a the start of a series of small wins. Mhmm. And there are usually some people on staff that are more, receptive to innovation or trying new things, and and that's a great place to start for someone who's looking to kinda break into that on their staff. Yeah. One one other real quick thing I'd say with that is always be looking for people in your congregation or in your church that are in the technology space. Mhmm. And we've we've been blessed with, , some, , just really cool people that have really awesome jobs in different technology sectors and and leverage them as people, , as experts. Because sometimes it's hard to be the expert, , , in your own town type of thing. Yes. And invite them into the conversation and let them help also influence your leadership, and that that can go a long way. So, Adam, you mentioned following back up with your leadership team now that some things have been in place to help them see the value that was provided. And how do you track and measure the effectiveness of your digital tools that you've been implementing? Yeah. That's a great question. So there's a number of different ways that we do that. There's some free tools, , specifically, , for our website. Google Analytics is a free tool. It's easy to put that into your website to track different things. There are a couple goals with our , specifically, , our website project. One was a performance side of things. One was just helping us simplify our technology stack, and the other one was also creating this content library and, , this this concept of SEO marketing and just showing up for people before they even know to ask for a church, but they're typing in a question in Google and one of our articles shows shows up. So for that one in particular, we've been using, , an SEO tool. And there's a number of SEO tools out there Mhmm. To use, but we we're tracking, , certain keywords and articles. And we've been able to see an actual increase in those articles on Google since we've launched on Rock, with specific, , keywords that we were actually going after. So that's been a huge thing to to be able to track it that way. Plus, then we're just using some of the tools in Rock, , interactions. , we're diving into interactions and learning how to use those as well. And then, , at the end of the day, the probably what's most important is to find, , a consistent way to measure it and find the key KPIs or whatever the terminology you might use at your church, the metrics that will leverage and show that there is change happening through the digital tools that you have. So for us, it's usually , for apps, it might be, , weekly active users or monthly active users or tracking, , prayer requests, , that get submitted through the website or through the app. Or it might be articles read and, , how often something might get shared. So there's a there's a a thousand different ways to measure something. At the end of the day, you need to find what's important for your church and what goals you're going after. So it's kinda hard to kinda give a blanket statement for that. But that's really the the right approach to do it because what we might be tracking might not be the right thing for your church. But a big thing around that is just doing it consistently. And there might be times when it seems mundane or, , nothing's changing or whatever it might be, but sometimes that's also potentially good. But I'd I'd also track and this is something we're being encouraged to right now. A lot of times we don't think about this. All this the normal stuff, , , we're starting to track how many weekends do we have Rock issues or non Rock issues. ? And majority of the time, we don't have any issues. Wow. We only know that one weekend out of 52 weekends where we had an issue, and that's what people keep in their mind. So we're trying to start to do some things , hey. 99% of the time, we've had no issue. Mhmm. So there's, , little kind of mundane metrics there to to track that just keep that in front of leadership and, because there is work. There are updates that you're doing. There's things that you're fixing to make sure that happens. So That sounds a great thing to track. What are, if you look ahead, some of the new personalization and other digital ministry innovations that you're hoping to bring into your Rock space? Yeah. So I think for us, right now, we're kind of focusing on building out some volunteer tools. That's the first thing that we're doing. And that's a little bit of personalization, a little bit of just, , the beauty of Rock and how it works and some of the built in tools. From there, I think what we're going to want to do is start to look at how do we effectively communicate great next steps for people, whether that's in our mobile app, or in on the website. So, , a perfect example might be, , giving. This because it's one we would all understand. So if someone's logged in to the website and we know because their data is in Rock, what what type of level of giver they are. And Rock has some amazing built in tools for, , the giver journey, and some other things under the, on the person profile that helps a lot about that person. So we might be able to slowly move someone into a spot where they're trusting God with their finances. Mhmm. It's based off of simple and appropriate prompts, , on a giving page. ? So if you're logged in and we know that you don't regularly give, we might have a prompt or, , a suggestion. , hey. Have you considered, , our ninety day tithing challenge? Mhmm. Or maybe we see that you're a regular giver, but you don't have any scheduled gift in Rock. And from there, we can, , have some, , prompts around, , hey. Have you ever considered scheduling what's most important in your life? ? , a lot of us have our cell phone bills, , come out of our bank accounts and our trash and all the other different things. , why wouldn't we take one of the most important things we're trusting out with our money and and do that too? ? So that's just a very basic example of how we can do that. One way that we've done this in another avenue already is we have for us, we , for members at our curriculum partners. So we've built out a process now. We've been trying to find ways to make it easier for people to learn about partnership and to engage with it. So we built out a process online where instead of having to show up in a class, you can do that whole experience online now. Oh, wow. It's based off of Yeah. Yeah. It's based off of different things that we know about you. We're using, , the the Rock media player to determine if they've watched a video long enough to proceed to the next section. So that's a a strong combination of back end processes with connection requests and workflows and front end stuff where we're changing the content based off of what we know about them and where they're at in the process. So those are just two kind of examples of how we're doing that today. But the kind of stuff that we're trying to go after is in that pain. That's incredible. I love it. All right, guys. Now I told you ahead of time, I love asking for stories. I think it's one of the best things we can do to get, just to understand how Rock is really affecting people inside and outside. So whether it was church staff or it was a family that was affected by how Rock, is utilized at LCBC, I would love to hear stories that you could share with the community and we could share with the Rock team to to just remind us why we do what we do. Yeah. Gary, do you wanna go first? Yeah. I can go first. We have a volunteer at our main campus who just started serving. And what's really and it's really cool. He's he's serving in Kidman. He's shaking hands, greeting people every week, and just loving his serve. And the how he got into serving was we track engagement, which Adam did a great presentation on how we do all that, if you should go back and watch. But we built this report where we could see where people were engaged and attending every week, but not serving. And that gave our campus staff almost a targeted list of people to go after to build out their serve teams so they can say, hey. This person is bought in. They're here every week, but they're not serving. That would be maybe a more likely yes. So they asked this guy, he's older, retired, never had kids, would you to serve? And he's here every week loving it. And it was so easy. It was just it was a cool win. It was just great to see. Yeah. It's it's awesome looking and seeing the stories of how people get engaged with with just using some internal data that. Here's here's one that we just had literally come in today. I'll just read you the story. It's from one of our locations in the Northern Part of Pennsylvania. They said we had a woman in her twenties come for the first time on Sunday and attend First Steps, which is kinda a newcomers or new here type class that we have. And she said that, , her life had hit Rock bottom on Saturday. So she looked up churches near her, found our website, looked through our values, signed up for First Steps, and then showed up at our campus the next day. Oh my word. A way to go to to the marketing and digital team for showing up for our people before they ever show up for our campus. The website was easy to navigate and allowed her to get connected within moments. Oh. I have goosebumps. That is that's exactly right. Showing up for people before they show up on the front step. That's that's perfect. Yeah. It was it was cool. We happened to have an all staff a couple days later after we launched our website a month or two ago. And it was just just it just shows our leadership and just kinda, , our values of celebrating, , huge milestones. Our senior pastor, , in our off staff meeting, just , hey. We just launched a new website and the digital team, , great job on that. And it was just cool how he just painted a vision of, hey. We spend so much time and energy and staff on, , setting great environments whenever people show up and walk through the doors. , we're out in the parking lots. We're at the door waiting for them. And he's , guys, , our our first atrium, the first experience people have with us now is our website. Wow. ? And it's been that way for a while. But it's just such a great reminder that before they even walk through our doors and and we wanna create a first, , great impression there and welcoming, we we need to do that online. Yeah. And that, , that means, , having, , great copy and, , that where people understand the good imagery. They know what to expect that the website's easy to use, and they can navigate it, and it and it worked. ? Mhmm. So, yeah, when we hear stories that, that's super exciting and motivating is to keep working hard and having the, , the tough conversations to make sure that we're doing the best thing Yeah. For people so we can introduce more people to Jesus. Incredible. Well, thank you so much for all the effort that you are putting into the ministry work that you're doing and the impact that you're having on the community as well. We know your involvement has been inspirational to a lot of churches. And, , being able to be in the trenches inside the community with others is just one of the key elements that makes this community so powerful. Mhmm. Now we have the conference right around the corner for our listeners who are listening in real time. Can you give us each a quick pitch about your presentation that you'll be showcasing there? Yeah. So mine, I'm doing I think it's something five questions I always get asked about moving to Rock. I think it's, , the title. And just gonna this will be very much geared to, , new people in Rock or churches that are at the conference that are anticipating moving to Rock. And really just wanna outline kind of five of the basic questions that we always get, , , check-in and finances and reporting and some of that stuff. But really at the at the the the heart of it, just hoping to help us also. There's a little bit of a mind a mindset shift that I think you need to have when you move to Rock that really unlocks the potential of it. So I'm hoping that through it, it's , well, yes, you can do a kid check-in, but also think about it this way. ? Mhmm. Or, yes, you can do financing. So that's kind of the goal that I'm going forward with that. We'll we'll see how I do. Great. What about you, Jerry? So my first session, I think, will be about our ten month journey of moving all of our platforms to Rock and the back end technical benefits we've seen as well as the new features and front end stuff that we're now able to do. And my other presentation will be how you can do really cool things with the Apple TV core app and connect the church with the couch. So that'll be pretty fun as well. Oh, I love that tag. Connect the church with the couch. Well, we're looking forward to your sessions. For our listeners, get to the conference if you can. Make sure to to pop into the rooms and hear what Adam and Jerry have to share. Or if you're listening after the conference, this content will be available online so you can not miss it one way or the other. Thank you so much, Adam and Jerry, for sharing your time with us today and sharing your insights. We really appreciate it and value you as members of the community. Thanks, guys. We love love being a part of it and love when we can help out anyway. Awesome. Thanks for having us, and I can't wait to see everybody next next month. That's right. It's coming up soon. Alright. For all your listeners, thank you so much for tuning in with us again. Don't forget to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts so you can join us again next time where we discuss technology, faith, and the RockRMS community. 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